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  Geschrieben: 04.06.15 22:56
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Ich möchte mich hier einem Thema widmen, dass mich seit längerem sehr fasziniert. Erstaunlicherweise konnte ich hier kein Thread dazu finden.

Christian Rätsch hat in mehreren Interview's von einer Entdeckung gesprochen, die sich sehr spannend anhört.
Es handelt sich dabei um noch nicht botanisch identifiziert Pflanzen, welche Rätsch in seinen Forschungsreisen angetroffen hat. In diesen Pflanzen(-Teilen), einerseits der Cabalonga-Nuss/Frucht und dem Piri Piri Gras vermutet Rätsch, LSD als Naturstoff gefunden zu haben.

Über die Kabalonga Nuss (kennt jemand korrekte Schreibweise?) habe ich im weiten Internet absolut keine Informationen gefunden. Scheinbar weiss niemand, von welcher Pflanze diese Nuss stammt.

Das Piri Piri Gras, wird laut Rätsch schon seit geraumer Zeit von den Shipibo Indianern benutzt. Das Piri Piri ist nur den Frauen vorbehalten und wird bereits den Säuglingen als Augentrofpen verabreicht. Sie lernen dadurch scheinbar im Laufe der Zeit, Ayahuasca Muster zu sehen und diese zu malen. Das Ayahuasca ist hingegen nur den Männern vorbehalten.

Das faszinierende dabei ist folgendes:

Während die Männer unter Ayahuasca Einfluss durch Gesänge die Muster welche sie sehen beschreiben, transkribieren die Frauen diese Gesänge wie eine Notenschrift. Sie können also die Muster der Ayahuasca Reisen malen, ohne sie zu sehen. Scheinbear eben aufgrund des Piri Piri Grases.

Wer mehr über dieses Thema erfahren möchte: Die Drug Education Agency mit Markus Berger hat ein Interview mit Rätsch zu diesem Thema geführt. In Folge 60.

Rätsch hat auch an Symposien dazu aufgerufen, diese Pflanzen genauer zu untersuchen..

Weiss jemand mehr dazu? Wäre sehr dankbar über weiterführende Informationen zu diesem Thema!

Edit:

Die richtige Schreibweise ist scheinbar: Kabalonga/Kamalonga oder auch Camalonga

Dazu habe ichg dann auch folgende Website gefunden:

http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2007/12/camalonga/

Obwohl hier keine direkten Rückschlüsse auf LSD gemacht werden, sind die teils beschriebenen Effekte der Camalonga Trinktur doch sehr ähnlich der Wirkungsweise eines milden LSD Rausches.


 
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  Geschrieben: 12.06.15 23:15
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Erowid hat leider auch nicht mehr Infos:

Zitat:
Common names for some of the plants reported as, or suspected of being, ayahuasca additives or used in connection with it......camalonga : An unidentified seed (from Andes) used for shamanic purposes. Luna 1984b.

Zitat:
camalongueros : Healing specialists (Peruvian mestizos) who use the seeds of camalonga for performing shamanic functions. Luna 1984b.



Das ist doch mal hilfreich!

Zitat:
Camalonga is the Peruvian name for Yellow Oleander (Thevetia peruviana). An infusion containing Camalonga is commonly used along with Ayahuasca by Amazonian shamans in Ayahuasca ceremonies. Seeds identified as “macho” and “hembra” (male and female) are placed in a bottle of aguardiente (distilled sugar cane juice) along with camphor, garlic, and white onion. The resulting extraction is used externally as a pre-ceremonial ointment for protection, and an ounce or so is often drank immediately following the Ayahuasca drink. Camalonga has a most disagreeable taste requiring considerable will to drink it.

Camalonga has a moderate threshold of toxicity and should only be taken in the course of a shamanic diet (dieta) guided by an experienced maestro of Amazonian traditional medicine.

REFERENCES
Schultes, R.E. and R. A. Raffauf. 1995. The Healing Forest: Medicinal and Toxic Plants of the Northwest Amazonia. Dioscorides Press. Hong Kong.

Thevetia+-+plant.jpg Yellow Orleander


Zitat:
Apparently, Colombian shamans prefer to use seeds of plants of the Strychnos genus, while Peruvian shamans prefer to use the seeds of Thevetia peruviana.


Zitat:
The yellow oleander contains the powerful cardiac glycosides thevetin, thevetoxin, peruvoside, ruvoside, and nerifolin, which are found throughout the plant, but are concentrated in the seeds. Ingesting yellow oleander seeds can cause abdominal pain, vomiting and diarrhea, dilated pupils, increased blood pressure, dizziness, stimulation of the smooth muscles of the intestine, bladder, uterus, and blood vessels, and a variety of arrhythmias, which can be fatal. Chewing the seed causes a drying, numbing, or burning sensation in the mouth and throat. The sap of the plant can cause skin irritation, sometimes blistering, and the plant has been used as a fish poison.


Weitere Namen die ich gefunden habe:
- Yellow Orleander (Thevetia peruviana)
- Cabalonga
- Chapeau de napoleon (Napoleonhut)
- Camalonga (Peru)
- cabalonga (Kolumbien)
- cabalonga blanca (schwächere Verwandte der echten Cabalonga, aber mit ebenfalls psychoaktive Wirkungen haben und wird als Ayahuascaadditiv verwendet)



Zitat:
Die weltweit in allen tropischen Zo­nen als Zierpflanze kultivierte, aus Peru stam­mende Thevetia peruviana (PERs.) ScHUM. [syn. Th. neriifolia Juss.; Gelber Oleander] ist chemisch
am besten untersucht. Die Samen sind reich an herzaktiven Glykosiden, z.B. Peruvosid (STEINEG­GER und HÄNSEL 1972: 193*). Für einen Erwachse­hen sollen 8 bis 10 Samen tödlich sein (RoTH et
al. 1994: 699*). Thevetia peruviana wird im mexi­kanischen Bundesstaat San Luis Potosi palo de San Antonio, >>Baum des heiligen Antonius<<, genannt
(AGU ILAR CoNTRERAS und ZOLLA 1982: 196*). Der Name könnte durchaus von einer psychotro­pen Wirkung abgeleitet worden sein (siehe Clavi­ceps purpurea).
An der mexikanischen Golfküste, dem Gebiet der Huasteken, wird das Gewächs ca­balonga de Ia huasteca genannt (ebd.).







Zitat:
Well SWIM has an extract of strychnos nux vomica that he made a just a while ago. He’s been playing about with it. It’s extremely dilute. 1 ml only contains about 243 micrograms of strychnine. He’s used up to 1.5 ml of it orally, and as much as 1 ml sublingually. Nux vomica also contains brucine in near equal amounts. Brucine causes a numbing effect in the mouth if used sublingually.

These Camalonga seeds are said to produce a numbing effect in the mouth if taken sublingually, followed by an LSD-like effect. At least that’s 1 person’s report. SWIM has not tried Camalonga seeds, but they are chemically very similar to strychnos nux vomica and I believe they contain both strychnine and brucine. As stated above, brucine makes your mouth a little numb if taken sublingually.

So, as a test SWIM tried 1 ml of his nux vomica extract sublingually. That amount contains about 243 micrograms of strychnine and about 307 micrograms of brucine. It’s extremely bitter, and your mouth gets a little numb just as is reported by one Camalonga user.

Now it gets a little more interesting. After about 20 minutes, some LSD-like effects were actually felt, just as described with Camalonga seeds. SWIM did not know how similar in effects strychnine can be to the effects of LSD until he tried taking it sublingually. It’s much more potent sublingually I guess. It’s not truly psychedelic, but does have some qualities that are very similar to LSD. The effect it has on sound, vision and sense of touch is very similar to LSD in some ways. Things look sharper, colors brighter, sounds are more detailed, you see things with more vividness. It feels trippy, Your sense of awareness is increased, and you feel stimulated in a way very similar to LSD. It’s quite fascinating.

In the past SWIM has used pure strychnine orally, but never really sublingually. I think the most he used orally was 500 microgams. The 1 ml dose of his extract contains only 243 micrograms but because it was taken sublingually it was much stronger than 500 micrograms taken orally. Actually SWIM was a little shocked by how strong it was and got some kavalactones ready to ingest as a strychnine antidote just in case he started getting a few muscle twitches (but that never developed).

The bottom line is that the effects SWIM got from nux vomica by taking it sublingually very closely matched the effects he read about camalonga having when taken sublingually.

Camalonga is likely very dangerous to take orally or sublingually, more so than nux vomica. The reason I say that is because nux vomica has been studied for hundreds of years, and the amount of strychnine present in it is very well known, so “safe” dosages can be accurately calculated based on the maximum strychinine content per mg of dried nux vomica seeds. Camalonga’s strychnine content is not well known. You should stay away from it. Strychnine can be fatal in doses of 30 mg and up, and possibly even less for some individuals.

If you do play around with camalonga, be extremely careful and make sure you have some kavalactones present as a strychnine antidote, as well as some 1000 mg tablets of vitamin C.

Both vitamin C and kavalactones help prevent mild strychnine poisoning. If you get even the slightest twitch from it, you’d better swallow 1000 mg of vitamin C and a few kavalactone capsules. Tell everyone around you what you did, so they know. If you are alone, then immediately make a note of the fact that you took these and strychnine and securely tape it to your arm with very strong duct tape. And if things get any worse immediately call for emergency help. If they arrive and you’re already having convulsions and can’t easily speak hopefully they’ll see the note taped to your arm. This will help them save your life. An extreme overdose of strychnine can kill a person in as little as 15 minutes, but with the proper medications, it’s possible to survive.


 

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