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dabei seit 2010 391 Forenbeiträge 5 Tripberichte 2 Langzeit-TB |  Geschrieben: 19.11.12 08:20zuletzt geändert: 19.11.12 11:28 durch katha (insgesamt 10 mal geändert) |
| Hey Leute, Icke bin's nochmal. Jetzt wo ich wieder recht klar denken kann, muss ich sagen das mich langsam immer mehr der Verdacht bemannt, es könnte sich bei meiner Pappe (weißes Tab, gelber Smiley, ungewöhnlich groß, ungewöhnliche Oberflächenstruktur) um Bromo-Dragonfly oder gar etwas noch krasseres gehandelt haben. LSD gehört nämlich zu einem meiner ältesten Vertrauten und ich habe auch auf Festivals mit 7 Pappen mittlerer Qualität noch gar nicht mal all zu viel mit mir zu tun und komme selbst wenn ich krasse Erfahrungen mache schon immer noch recht gut klar, aber ich hatte auch 1 Jahr kein Acid mehr und wo ich jetzt so darüber Nachdenke hat sich das Ganze auch sehr nach einem Phenylethylamin angefühlt... Hmmmm, also der Vergleich auf Erowid passt schonmal: BROMO-DRAGONFLY POSITIVE mood lift visual changes (trails, pattens, etc) increase in energy (stimulation) increased associative thinking ego softening NEUTRAL decreased appetite visual distortion NEGATIVE short-term memory scramble or loss & confusion muscle tension unknown risks due to research chemical status Bromo-Dragonfly Duration Oral Total Duration 12-24 hrs Onset 20 - 90 mins Coming Up 30 - 60 mins Plateau 6 - 12 hrs Coming Down 4 - 12 hrs After Effects 6 - 36 hrs Hangover / Day After - - - Wikipedia schrieb:
The typical dose of Bromo-DragonFLY is not known, however it has varied from 500 μg to 1 mg.[2] It has about 300 times the potency of mescaline, or 1/5 the potency of LSD. It has been sold in the form of blotters, similar to the distribution method of LSD, which has led to confusion, and reports of mistakenly consuming Bromo-DragonFly. It has a much longer duration of action than LSD and can last for up to 2–3 days[2] following a single large dose, with a slow onset of action that can take up to 6 hours before the effects are felt.
Fuck, das isses. Nur der Onset war nicht unbedingt Slow, verdammt was hat mir der Typ da bloß angedreht... Mit ziemlicher Sicherheit war es wohl irgendein 'Fly', hier nochmal eine Übersicht über diese spezielle Klasse der Phenylethylamine für euch.  Vor allem die halogenierten Varianten scheinen echt nicht gerade ungiftig zu sein. Ich habe seit gestern seltsame Pusteln auf den Handinnenflächen und ich bin soweit ich weiß eigentlich gegen nichts allergisch, klingt zum Glück anscheinend auch langsam ab... Coppola M1* and Mondola R2 1Department of Addiction, ASL CN2, Viale Coppino 46, 12051, Alba (CN), Italy 2Department of Mental Health, ASL CN1, Via Torino 70/B, 12037, Saluzzo (CN), Italy ...schreiben dazu: In the last decades, the spread of psychotropic drugs belonging to the phenethylamine family has been continually on the rise [1,2]. These drugs are often synthesized illegally in underground laboratories or marketed via-internet by smart shops and chemicals research suppliers [1,3]. Recently, a phenethylamine-related compound named Bromo- DragonFly (BDF) has received large popularity among young people for its LSD-like effects [4]. BDF is a potent and long-acting synthetic psychedelic substance used as recreational drug since 2001 [4]. This drug, also called ABDF, FLY, DOB-Dragonfly, spamfly, placid, B-fly, 3C-Bromo-Dragonfly, bromo-benzodifuranil-isopropylamine, was first synthesized by Matthew A. Parker in the laboratory of David E. Nichols at Purdue University in 1998 as a new research probe to investigate central nervous system (CNS) serotonin receptor structure and activity [5]. The name of BDF is derived from a resemblance between its molecular skeleton and a dragonfly for the presence of two furan rings on opposing sides of a central phenyl ring forming the wings (Figure 1). No epidemiological study has investigated the spread of BDF among people, but since its appearance within the recreational drug market, several cases of severe intoxication and deaths have been related with its consumption in some countries [3,4,6-10]. Furthermore, 1230 and 7600 blotters of BDF have been seized in Finland in 2009 and 2010, respectively [11]. In addition, the discussion about this hallucinogen among drug users is still lively within the drugs forum [12-16]. Finally, the use of Google Insights for Search, a google application for compare search volume patterns across specific regions, categories, time frames and properties, has shown a shift of interest for this drug from Europe to North America in recent years [17]. Despite being considered a substance that causes concern in terms of its potency and toxicity [9], there is very little information about its acute and chronic human toxicity. The aim of this paper is to summarize the clinical, pharmacological and toxicological information currently available about this new and dangerous hallucinogenic substance of abuse. Discussion Hallucinogenic substances have been used by indigenous cultures for millennia, however, the use was generally restricted to sacramental and healing contexts and regulated by ceremonial guidelines [30-32]. In the last decades, these substances have received large popularity among young drug users who experience their effects principally in “rave or party scenes” [33-35]. Recreational use of hallucinogens has favoured the spread of increasingly more powerful and legal molecules capable of satisfying the needs of the users [35]. In particular, the use of internet as a potential source of information on drugs of abuse [36] resulted in the use of several research chemicals as recreational drugs in place of traditional and illicit substances [1,37-42]. BDF is a research chemical synthesized in 1998 to investigate CNS serotonin receptor structure and activity [5]. This molecule is a very potent and long-acting agonist at 5-HT2A receptor used by people for its LSD-like effects [4,18,35]. In fact, as showed from several evidence, 5HT2A receptor is the main site for hallucinogen action and the entire most common hallucinogenic drugs act as agonist on this receptor [43]. It is considered the first arylethylamine derivative to surpass LSD in potency in a behavioural assay and the first molecule with LSD-like activity to have an aromatic nucleus other than benzene or indole [19]. This molecule appears to be typically sold by online research chemicals suppliers because the synthesis is complicated for the usual clandestine chemist and requires sophisticate instrumentations [44]. Pattern of acute toxicity emerged by both the cases of intoxication signalled in some countries and the users reports present within the drugs forum include psychedelic effects combined with an amphetamine-like activation [4,7,10,25,27- 29]. Furthermore, the capability of over stimulating the 5HT2A and α1-adrenergic receptor could explain the contraction of vessels smooth muscle cells and consequently the severe vasoconstriction [4,23,44]. BDF is considered a substance that causes concern in terms of its potency and toxicity and many countries have published warnings alert about its toxicity [9,44] Vulnerable people could be encouraged to use BDF by online comments and videos emphasizing its powerful and the long lasting hallucinogenic activity [35]. Furthermore, in so called “rave or party scene”, some users could unknowingly assume this hallucinogen because sold in substitution of LSD [4,18]. Considering the high clinical toxicity, the alertness of medical community is of great importance in order to track and monitoring the spread of this powerful serotonergic hallucinogen. Conclusion BDF is a potent and long-acting psychedelic drug producing both LSD-like effects and amphetamine activation. Information currently available suggests that this drug can produce severe intoxications with serious medical complications including rhabdomyolysis, respiratory problems, liver and kidney failure, peripheral ischaemia and psychosis. Pharmacological potency and clinical toxicity associated with the consumption of this substance are reason of concern within the medical community. A better international cooperation is indispensable in order to monitoring and preventing the spread of this dangerous recreational substance. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Drogen verursachen wahnsinniges Verhalten bei Leuten die nie welche nehmen." -Dr. Leary | |
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dabei seit 2010 391 Forenbeiträge 5 Tripberichte 2 Langzeit-TB | Geschrieben: 19.11.12 11:17 |
| Klar noodle, sorry, war in rage... "Drogen verursachen wahnsinniges Verhalten bei Leuten die nie welche nehmen." -Dr. Leary | |
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Traumländer
dabei seit 2012 2.474 Forenbeiträge 5 Tripberichte 1 Galerie-Bilder | Geschrieben: 19.11.12 16:00 |
| Ich hab mal eine Frage zur Nomenklatur: Warum lautet der Trivialname Fly? Weil die Struktur ein wenig an eine Fliege errinert (Finde ich jedenfalls, mit dem Benzolring als Körper und den angebundenen Ringen als Flügel) Wäre so die erste Idee die ich habe. 2te Frage: Woher weiß ich eigentlich, was der Erstsubstituent einer Substanz ist? Weil ich ja nur so bestimmen kann, welche Stellung die anderen anhängsel annehmen (Ortho, Metha oder Para). Kann ich den erstsubtituenten nur erkennen, wenn ich die Synthese kenne? "Immer wieder, wenn ich aus dem Leib aufwache in mich selbst, lasse ich das andere hinter mir und trete ein in mein Selbst; ich sehe eine wunderbar gewaltige Schönheit und [...] bin in eins mit dem Göttlichen" (Plot. IV.8.6) | |
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dabei seit 2010 391 Forenbeiträge 5 Tripberichte 2 Langzeit-TB | Geschrieben: 19.11.12 16:56 |
| Ja, deswegen heißen die so. Weil die Strukturformeln aussehen wie Insekten.^^ Was genau meist du mit Erstsubstituent? 2C-B-FLY und Bromo-Dragonfly dürften aus dieser Stoffklasse als erstes synthetisiert worden sein wenn du das meinst. "Drogen verursachen wahnsinniges Verhalten bei Leuten die nie welche nehmen." -Dr. Leary | |
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